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We're here in Dover, Arkansas and I've been traveling around and looking

at the Ozark Mountains and is the Washitos? Well, we didn't go into the washytiles.

They're not far from here.

Okay.

And seeing some beautiful country with a friend of mine, Johnny Carroll,

saying, hope I wanted to come down here and meet for a long time and let him show me his part of the world.

He's a freelance writer. This is how I met him. He worked with Field and Stream and does a lot of fishing writing for Hatch magazine,

midcurrent. He's written for Farmers' Almanac. He used to be a farmer, right?

Yeah. He got a be a farmer, right? You did. You had a

hog farm.

Yeah. You've done a lot of, uh, spent a lot of time in this part of the world,

right? Your family goes back forever in here. I've never lived more than

30 minutes from where I was born which is about 15 minutes from here.

Right on. Well after wandering around yesterday so just keep this going. So, uh, so, uh,

Johnny is a full-time freelancer, he's editor of, is it about the River Valley magazine? And that's a local like outdoors. It's not just outdoors. It's more just tell stories about the region.

I know River Valley region and southern Ozarks.

Yeah, I know you've done some good stuff at Arkansas Life.

Yeah.

But I just, I got on to your work,

and I don't really know how we connected probably through social media,

but I got on to your work when I read some pieces you done and I'd immediately recognize a person who,

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