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The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Wounded Healers: Linehan and DBT Part 1

The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast

Alternative Health, Medicine, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.7524 Ratings

🗓️ 5 January 2026

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

Marsha Linehan makes it out of a long-term psychiatric hospital and vows to develop a better approach to suicidality, reinventing therapy for borderline personality disorder. 

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Published On: 01/05/2026

Duration: 16 minutes, 50 seconds

Chris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.

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0:00.0

On working days, she was a scientist. After hours, a spiritual seeker. And in her youth, she was known

0:05.9

as the most disturbed patient in a large psychiatric hospital. We look at how Marsha Lennahan

0:11.0

built a therapy for borderline personality out of these broken pieces.

0:19.4

Welcome to the Carliside Psychiatry podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003.

0:25.0

I'm Chris Agen, the editor-in-chief of the Carlott Psychiatry Report.

0:28.7

And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue.

0:36.0

On April 30, 1961, a 17-year-old Marsha Linehan was brought by her parents to the Institute of Living,

0:43.9

a psychiatric hospital in Hartford, Connecticut. Her symptoms were not of the type that would get you

0:49.3

into a hospital today. Depression, withdrawal, tension, and headaches. But they were a change from her the girl she was.

0:57.3

Marcia was active and popular in high school, elected to leadership and voted queen of the junior

1:02.0

class ball. Her yearbook speaks of her empathy, good spirits, and high ideals. Now, just weeks

1:08.8

from her high school graduation, she found herself in a psychiatric ward.

1:13.0

On the outside, a rolling lawn landscaped by Frederick Law Olmsted, the architect of Central

1:18.4

Park. But the inside was dark and lonely, and it was about to get worse.

1:24.3

Marcia had never injured herself before, but within days of admission she broke her glasses and cut her wrists.

1:32.0

She's not sure where she got the idea to do it.

1:34.7

Cutting spreads like a contagion in long-term facilities.

1:38.6

It releases endogenous opioids, giving instant relief to the emotional pain.

1:46.9

But the hospital had a protocol, and Marcia was carried in a stretcher to the locked ward. It was no longer just dark and cold. She was

1:53.5

now surrounded by the smell of urine and feces, and the screams of patients who broke out into

1:59.3

physical fights.

2:07.0

The urge for relief grew, and she broke a window to slash her arms and midsection with shards of glass, burned herself with stolen cigarettes.

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