Wounded Healers: Linehan and DBT Part 1
The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast
Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast
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🗓️ 5 January 2026
⏱️ 17 minutes
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Summary
Marsha Linehan makes it out of a long-term psychiatric hospital and vows to develop a better approach to suicidality, reinventing therapy for borderline personality disorder.
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Published On: 01/05/2026
Duration: 16 minutes, 50 seconds
Chris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.
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| 0:00.0 | On working days, she was a scientist. After hours, a spiritual seeker. And in her youth, she was known |
| 0:05.9 | as the most disturbed patient in a large psychiatric hospital. We look at how Marsha Lennahan |
| 0:11.0 | built a therapy for borderline personality out of these broken pieces. |
| 0:19.4 | Welcome to the Carliside Psychiatry podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003. |
| 0:25.0 | I'm Chris Agen, the editor-in-chief of the Carlott Psychiatry Report. |
| 0:28.7 | And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue. |
| 0:36.0 | On April 30, 1961, a 17-year-old Marsha Linehan was brought by her parents to the Institute of Living, |
| 0:43.9 | a psychiatric hospital in Hartford, Connecticut. Her symptoms were not of the type that would get you |
| 0:49.3 | into a hospital today. Depression, withdrawal, tension, and headaches. But they were a change from her the girl she was. |
| 0:57.3 | Marcia was active and popular in high school, elected to leadership and voted queen of the junior |
| 1:02.0 | class ball. Her yearbook speaks of her empathy, good spirits, and high ideals. Now, just weeks |
| 1:08.8 | from her high school graduation, she found herself in a psychiatric ward. |
| 1:13.0 | On the outside, a rolling lawn landscaped by Frederick Law Olmsted, the architect of Central |
| 1:18.4 | Park. But the inside was dark and lonely, and it was about to get worse. |
| 1:24.3 | Marcia had never injured herself before, but within days of admission she broke her glasses and cut her wrists. |
| 1:32.0 | She's not sure where she got the idea to do it. |
| 1:34.7 | Cutting spreads like a contagion in long-term facilities. |
| 1:38.6 | It releases endogenous opioids, giving instant relief to the emotional pain. |
| 1:46.9 | But the hospital had a protocol, and Marcia was carried in a stretcher to the locked ward. It was no longer just dark and cold. She was |
| 1:53.5 | now surrounded by the smell of urine and feces, and the screams of patients who broke out into |
| 1:59.3 | physical fights. |
| 2:07.0 | The urge for relief grew, and she broke a window to slash her arms and midsection with shards of glass, burned herself with stolen cigarettes. |
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