Wounded Healers: 12-Steps from Jung
The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast
Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast
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🗓️ 29 December 2025
⏱️ 9 minutes
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How a tip from Carl Jung inspired Alcoholics Anonymous and the 12-step recovery movement.
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Published On: 12/29/2025
Duration: 08 minutes, 55 seconds
Chris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.
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| 0:00.0 | Do you need to believe in a higher power to benefit from a 12-step program? |
| 0:04.4 | We trace this idea back to Carl Jung and find new research that gives solace to those with a more |
| 0:09.7 | secular worldview. |
| 0:15.1 | Welcome to the Carlyte Psychiatry Podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003. |
| 0:20.9 | I'm Chris Aiken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlet Psychiatry Report. |
| 0:24.6 | And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue. |
| 0:31.9 | Last week, we rode on some fanciful ways, as we looked at the psychotic-like symptoms |
| 0:37.0 | and religious conflicts |
| 0:38.3 | that brought Carl Jung to believe in a collective unconscious that connects us all. |
| 0:43.3 | Freud couldn't stomach the idea, and it seems a bit far-fetch for our DSM world. |
| 0:49.3 | But here's how Yong used it in practice. |
| 0:52.3 | He believed these universal archetypes rose up to guide us through |
| 0:55.2 | the stressors that humans have faced for millennia. It's a collective guide for universal |
| 1:00.2 | struggles, things like danger, mating, war, birth and death, family conflict, and social disruption. |
| 1:06.6 | I suspect Jung would have been fascinated by the QAnon Shaman, who marched into the capital |
| 1:11.4 | riot with tattoos of Nordic gods, horns, and a bare-skin headdress. So when a patient came to |
| 1:17.5 | Young with one of those universal stresses, Young would help them uncover the archetypal material |
| 1:22.6 | that was waiting just beneath the surface, ready to guide them across the chasm. That's what Young did when |
| 1:28.3 | Roland Hazard came seeking help for his alcoholism in the late 1920s, lighting a spark that has |
| 1:34.0 | become a standard part of practice today. |
| 1:44.0 | Roland Hazard was born into a prominent Rhode Island family, whose various branches had played key roles in the American Revolution, the abolition of slavery, women's rights, and workers' rights. |
| 1:56.6 | Roland founded an industrial chemical company, but his personal life fell apart after repeated relapses into alcoholism that he could not control with medical intervention or moral conviction. |
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