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The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Wounded Healers: Linehan and DBT Part 2

The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast

Alternative Health, Medicine, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.7524 Ratings

🗓️ 12 January 2026

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

Marsha Linehan finds the core principles of DBT in a Buddhist monastery, challenges the psychoanalytic establishment, and returns to the hospital where her journey started.

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Published On: 01/12/2026

Duration: 16 minutes, 50 seconds

Chris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Warning, this episode is full of polarities.

0:03.4

Adderall and Xanax, Kernberg and Linnehan,

0:06.9

Buddhism and Catholicism, doctor-inpatient.

0:10.3

But we'll tie most of them together in this final installment

0:13.1

on borderline personality disorder.

0:19.3

Welcome to the Carlet Psychiatry Podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003.

0:25.3

I'm Chris Aiken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlat Psychiatry Report.

0:28.9

And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue.

0:36.1

When we left Marshal Innihan last week, she was driving down the coast of Seattle to Shasta Abbey,

0:42.4

a Buddhist monastery in the mountains of California.

0:45.6

In this episode, you'll learn the core skills of DBT that she found there,

0:50.5

how she challenged and was challenged by the psychoanalytic establishment,

0:55.9

and how Marsha Linehan ended up back where she started at the psychiatric hospital in Connecticut.

1:10.1

The regimented life at Shasta Abbey left Linnehan tired, bored and distracted.

1:16.3

But that was all grist for the mill as she practiced meditation day in, day out.

1:21.0

And from these two seeds, she formed the core skills of DBT, mindfulness,

1:25.8

from Buddhist meditation and radical acceptance from willingness. Both of

1:30.2

these are hard to put into words. They are experiences more than they are ideas, but we'll do our

1:35.6

best borrowing from Linahan's own words. Mindfulness is the act of consciously focusing the mind

1:42.5

in the present moment, without judgment and without

1:45.4

attachment to the moment. It contrasts with automatic, habitual or rote behavior. When we are

1:52.1

mindful, we are alert and awake, like a sentry guarding a gate. It is the awareness of what

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