Wounded Healers: Linehan and DBT Part 2
The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast
Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast
4.7 • 524 Ratings
🗓️ 12 January 2026
⏱️ 21 minutes
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Summary
Marsha Linehan finds the core principles of DBT in a Buddhist monastery, challenges the psychoanalytic establishment, and returns to the hospital where her journey started.
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Published On: 01/12/2026
Duration: 16 minutes, 50 seconds
Chris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.
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| 0:00.0 | Warning, this episode is full of polarities. |
| 0:03.4 | Adderall and Xanax, Kernberg and Linnehan, |
| 0:06.9 | Buddhism and Catholicism, doctor-inpatient. |
| 0:10.3 | But we'll tie most of them together in this final installment |
| 0:13.1 | on borderline personality disorder. |
| 0:19.3 | Welcome to the Carlet Psychiatry Podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003. |
| 0:25.3 | I'm Chris Aiken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlat Psychiatry Report. |
| 0:28.9 | And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue. |
| 0:36.1 | When we left Marshal Innihan last week, she was driving down the coast of Seattle to Shasta Abbey, |
| 0:42.4 | a Buddhist monastery in the mountains of California. |
| 0:45.6 | In this episode, you'll learn the core skills of DBT that she found there, |
| 0:50.5 | how she challenged and was challenged by the psychoanalytic establishment, |
| 0:55.9 | and how Marsha Linehan ended up back where she started at the psychiatric hospital in Connecticut. |
| 1:10.1 | The regimented life at Shasta Abbey left Linnehan tired, bored and distracted. |
| 1:16.3 | But that was all grist for the mill as she practiced meditation day in, day out. |
| 1:21.0 | And from these two seeds, she formed the core skills of DBT, mindfulness, |
| 1:25.8 | from Buddhist meditation and radical acceptance from willingness. Both of |
| 1:30.2 | these are hard to put into words. They are experiences more than they are ideas, but we'll do our |
| 1:35.6 | best borrowing from Linahan's own words. Mindfulness is the act of consciously focusing the mind |
| 1:42.5 | in the present moment, without judgment and without |
| 1:45.4 | attachment to the moment. It contrasts with automatic, habitual or rote behavior. When we are |
| 1:52.1 | mindful, we are alert and awake, like a sentry guarding a gate. It is the awareness of what |
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