Wounded Healers: Psychosis, Spirituality, and Jung
The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast
Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast
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🗓️ 22 December 2025
⏱️ 16 minutes
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Summary
Are psychosis and OCD ever normal? We explore this question from Carl Jung’s breakdown to a new neurologic condition, hyperphantasia.
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Published On: 12/22/2025
Duration: 15 minutes, 41 seconds
Chris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.
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| 0:00.0 | Depression and anxiety occur on a spectrum, but can normal people have a little bit of OCD or psychosis? |
| 0:07.7 | We're going to trace that question from Carl Jung to a newly discovered neurologic trait. |
| 0:16.6 | Welcome to the Carlet Psychiatry Podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003. I'm Chris Aiken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlet Psychiatry Podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003. |
| 0:22.5 | I'm Chris Aiken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlet Psychiatry Report. |
| 0:26.1 | And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue. |
| 0:33.4 | When we left Carl Jung last week, our hero was wrestling with psychotic symptoms and questioning |
| 0:39.1 | his own sanity. Freud and his followers expelled him from their organization, dismissing the good |
| 0:45.2 | Swiss doctor as paranoid, mentally deranged and crazy. Freud used the Yiddish Mashuga. But Jung |
| 0:52.9 | did not seek treatment for these symptoms. |
| 0:55.2 | Instead, he dove into the visions, recording them in an ornate journal, the Red Book, that |
| 1:00.3 | wasn't published until 2009. |
| 1:04.3 | My relation to reality was not particularly brilliant. |
| 1:09.6 | I was often at variance with the reality of things. |
| 1:14.5 | Psychosis is not like OCD. We don't treat it with exposure therapy, and I've never seen a patient come out of psychosis by diving into it. |
| 1:24.0 | Usually, we advise them to ignore the paranoia and hallucinations as best they can while |
| 1:29.3 | focusing on real life, eating, bathing, sleeping, and maybe moving toward work and relationships. |
| 1:37.4 | But Carl Young claims that he overcame his psychotic episode by diving into it. That's unusual, and historians have debated about whether |
| 1:47.2 | the doctor had full bipolar or psychosis or just a sensitive creative temperament. It's a tough |
| 1:54.5 | call. Every psychiatric symptom occurs on a spectrum. Naturally, depression, anxiety, inattention and insomnia are part of |
| 2:03.6 | everyday life. But so are more extreme symptoms, like psychosis and OCD. Around 5% of people experience |
| 2:12.6 | normal hallucinations at some point in their life that don't cause distress or impairment and are not |
| 2:20.4 | associated with any psychiatric disorder. Unlike clinical psychosis, these normal visions and voices |
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