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We are so excited to have here today with us Gabe Sherman, who is a vanity fair correspondent

and he is the author of The New York Times bestseller, the loudest voice in the room,

how the brilliant, bombastic Roger Ailes built Fox News and divided a country.

This book came out in 2014.

Yet you can learn a whole lot about why we are in the current era of political drama

from the reporting you did and also your reporting process, starting, you know,

I think you really started working on the book in around 2011.

So you put so many years into telling a story that was out there in the open

and people had spoken about Roger Ailes and what was going on with women at Fox News.

But no one really had blown the lid off of it and so Gabe did that, Gabe blew the lid off the story.

So we're so happy to have you here today.

Thanks for having me.

Joining me today is our executive producer and my sometime co-host Adam Levine.

Adam also served in the White House for President George W. Bush.

He was also a senior producer at NBC News and began his career with the late great Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

And in the interest of full disclosure, I was one of the sources, one of the many, many, many sources

I got to know Gabe during the writing of this book.

And in interest of full disclosure, my husband works at Vanity Fair with Gabe.

Now that we have that all that out there, at least go ahead.

So this book, it's thick.

You can read it on Kindle or listen and it goes very quickly because of the familiarity

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