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This is Words Matter with Elise Jordan and Steve Schmidt.

Welcome to Words Matter, I'm Elise Jordan along with Steve Schmidt.

Our goal is to promote objective reality.

As a wise man once said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, not their own facts.

Your tech power and word tech consequences.

I'm so excited today to have with us Adam Davidson, who is a staff writer at the New Yorker,

and one of the world's experts on the Trump finances.

You really have done such a deep dive and I find you to be in a central read constantly

because you're able to get into the weeds of what's going on with the Russian investigation

and with Trump's businesses, but make it actually accessible to someone like yours truly

who might not be such a business expert.

So thanks so much for being with us today.

Oh, thanks, that was very nice and I'm a fan of the podcast so thrilled to be here.

Great to see you, thanks for doing this.

I first became obsessed with your writing with the story you did that was an incredible

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