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Hello and welcome to Women with Balls, where I, Katie Balls, speak to today's trailblazers.

My guest today was born in Wales but moved to Italy aged five.

At 16, she came back to Britain, where she got three A-levels and in her own words scraped into University College London to study modern languages.

After university, she worked in customer services at Hobbes, the fashion brand,

and then fell into journalists after a meeting at a pub.

She went on to work at the Daily Mirror, The Guardian, The Daily Express,

tapped the magazine and The Times before starting her column for the Daily Mail,

where she writes about

everything from Love Island to her time married to her cabinet minister. She has been awarded

columnist of the year multiple times. Her writing, however, has at times led to controversy,

but as she said in an interview, I don't want any of the things that conformity gets you.

It means that occasionally you get into a bit of a mess, but I'd do anything to avoid a quiet life. My guest today is Sarah Vine. So Sarah, thank you very much joining us today on this podcast. I've been able to find the time because you've been very high on our list of people to get. I just don't, I'm not very good at answering emails. Yeah. I share that. I'm more of a WhatsApp person,

if that. Yeah, me too. So we know for next time. To begin, we tend to ask everyone the same

question, which is basically, would you describe yours as a happy childhood? How would you describe it?

Oh, God. Insane is the word I would use to describe my childhood. My mother will probably listen to this, so I just need to think about what I'm going to say here.

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