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Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics, life and culture.

My name is Freddie Gray. I'm the deputy editor of The Spectator. I'm delighted to be joined today by Pano Canellos, who is president of the University of Austin.

And Pano, a lot of our listeners might not know much about the University of Austin,

as after all, it is a new creation that you and a group of like-minded people has created

in order to pursue truth above cancel culture. Is that a fair way of putting it?

Thank you for having me, by the way. This is great pleasure to speak with you. I would say that

that's maybe something that's downstream from the general purpose of the university, that

kind of encounter with cancel culture. Cancel culture, I think, is a,

you know, a vexing feature of our society today, but it's not worth creating an entire institution

simply to oppose. I would say the reason that we are founding this new university, and we're still

in the foundational process, we haven't opened a university, but we're moving rapidly in that direction, is, you know,

taking Lincoln's dictum that a house divided against itself cannot stand.

You know, we really feel that the direction that we're going in in American culture,

in Western culture, maybe even global culture right now,

is ultimately untenable. The polarization of society is pervasive and pernicious, and that universities

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