For me, it's not about what side are you landed on. It's like, how thorough are you examining the scriptures and how honest are you with where they're leading you to go.

Dr. Preston Sprinkles is on today.

Let me read your stats for a minute.

A scholar, a theologian speaker, the co-founder and president of the Center for Faith,

sexuality and gender, founder and host of the Theology and the raw podcast.

And he is a New York Times bestselling author who has authored more than a dozen books,

many addressing hot button topics

in contemporary Christian life and theology with a goal of grace-centered, honest dialogue.

You basically like jumping into the fire over and over again is what I'm gathering, Preston.

Yeah, it's funny because I'm not a very controversial.

My personality is not like, I love this to things up or whatever, but I just have, I've, I'm interested in topics that happen to be controversial topic, I guess. Yeah. Same. So I think this is going to be a great conversation because I, too, enjoy, I think, tough conversations that the church needs to have.

So that's the way I would frame it.

So I need you to know something.

You basically made me come out of interviewing retirement to interview you.

Or maybe I'll even call it, maybe I'll call it hiatus, but I prefer retirement. I thought I was kind of retired. I don't even know if I can interview anymore. Let's just be honest about that. So we'll see. It's been a hot minute. It has been a year since I have interviewed anymore. Oh, there, is there, have you said why that is?

You just got tired of it or busy or something else?

Yeah, I'm going to tell you why.

I have said no to every interview for a year because nothing has interested me enough to talk

about in an interview format.

And I'm going to tell you why I said yes to this interview.

First of all,

because you are someone that I, I don't know personally, but you are someone that I know of your

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