Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the forward podcast. God, it feels good to say that.

Do so many episodes of the move. It's nice to get back to the original seat, the forward.

My guest today is, uh, is, is an old friend, not, not somebody that, that I've spent a ton of time

with or communicated with a lot over the 25 years that I've known him.

Um, my guest today is Wolfgang Puck. I met Wolfgang back in 1996.

Actually has a long history with cycling as a big fan of the sport, um, sponsored a team way back in the day.

And is obviously who he is. He is, uh, arguably the, um, the, the first celebrity chef.

And as we now live in a time when, um, there's a new celebrity chef seemingly every day, uh, Wolfgang was the original.

He invented so much stuff, arguably, whether it's fusion, the open kitchen, uh, but, but more importantly, at least to me is he's, he's just had a super interesting life.

Uh, if you get a chance, check out the new documentary on Disney plus, uh, about his life called Wolfgang.

Um, and, and as I watched it and, and sort of dug into his life, I realized, uh, there's so many parallels, um, uh, grew up with an abusive stepfather.

Um, just desperately needed a way out the kitchen with his way out.

Um, we both share an affinity, uh, Indianapolis was one of the first cities that he ever truly worked in here in the United States.

Obviously a city near and dear to my heart, the home of Dr Larry Einhorn, um, the man I, I, uh, most certainly credit was saving my life, uh, 25 years ago.

Um, so just a lot of similar similarities in our lives, we talk a lot about this. He's a, he's a joyful, playful, boyish character. You'll hear that in the show.

And he doesn't hold back. I mean, I thought he was super courageous to talk about some of the things that he did, um, and did, or he did speak about in, in the documentary, um, the abuse got so bad. There was a point.

And at a very young age that Wolfgang attempted or considered taking his own life, um, and, and yet he hung in there and that's, that is the spirit of the forward, um, just how people, um, reset, reassess, and move forward.

So I, I enjoyed the hell out of the conversation and thank you all as will so, as well. Um, uh, before we get to Wolfgang, today's show brought to you by 10,000.

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