Wolff: Bannon is Tearing off Musk's Face for Trump

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🗓️ 6 June 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

Joanna Coles is back with an emergency podcast to reveal just what is going on with the Trump–Elon Musk blow-up—and who better to explain it than Michael Wolff, Trump’s biographer and longtime chaos whisperer. Wolff explains why Musk is “Elon Bannon," revealing how he’s stolen Bannon’s role as Trump’s dark twin. And he unpacks why both men are deploying Trump’s ultimate fear: Jeffrey Epstein. From Epstein’s Manhattan mansion, where Bannon coached the disgraced financier on media comebacks, to Elon’s furious tweets, Wolff traces a toxic triangle of power, revenge and secrets. And he explains why Musk may be the first man rich and ruthless enough to truly go to war with Trump—and win.

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0:03.8	Yes, vodka, not gin, because this is fever tree Mexican lime soda.
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0:23.1	Fever tree Mexican lime soda mix with the best.
0:27.7	Hmm, now that hits the spot.
0:35.6	I'm Joanna Cole's chief Content Officer of The Daily Beast.
0:39.4	We are tracking moment by moment, tweet by tweet, truth social by truth social,
0:45.4	the fight between the richest man in the world and the most powerful man in the world.
0:48.9	And who has weighed in ripping Elon Musk's face off, but Steve Bannon?
0:53.6	So we're getting straight into it with, of course, the man who is still inside Donald Trump's head,
0:58.6	the author, the bestselling author, Michael Wolfe.
1:05.0	Michael, Steve Bannon is now back in the fray.
1:08.4	He's making all sorts of demands, not least that Trump investigate
1:12.7	Elon's immigration status. It feels like it's been some time since we've heard of him.
1:19.7	What is he doing now? Well, first thing, that's what Steve is doing and has been doing is looking for ways to get back in the fray.
1:30.1	That's kind of his full-time job.
1:32.4	I mean, he's running this podcast.
1:34.7	He's a podcaster.
1:36.5	Yes.
1:37.4	And his podcast, The War Room, is really about looking for ways to remain relevant in Trump world.
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