Will The Jury Understand Michael Proctor's Disdain for Karen Read This Time?
The Trial Of Karen Read | Justice For John O'Keefe
Tony Brueski
2.2 • 614 Ratings
🗓️ 15 May 2025
⏱️ 17 minutes
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Summary
Michael Proctor may not be on the prosecution’s witness list, but his presence looms large over the Karen Read trial. In this episode, Bob Motta and Tony Brueski analyze the explosive text messages, the professional fallout, and the deep personal contempt Proctor seemed to harbor for Karen Read. The big question: will jurors see his bias for what it is — or will they relate to it?
Tony makes a controversial but intriguing point: if the prosecution has already made Karen Read look like a highly unlikable person, then Proctor’s attitude may feel relatable to the jury. They may not like how he said it — but they might get why he said it.
Motta pushes back, arguing that Proctor is a textbook example of tunnel vision, and that his venomous language (“That bitch is going down”) reflects not passion for justice but prejudice. More importantly, his bias infected the investigation from day one.
The two go deep on what it means to be a “hired gun,” how Proctor’s credibility was destroyed in the first trial, and why the prosecution would rather let the defense call him than risk their own case imploding.
This episode is a masterclass in understanding law enforcement bias, jury psychology, and how a single investigator’s ego might jeopardize an entire murder conviction.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Hidden Killers with Tony Bruske. |
| 0:03.1 | Here now, Tony Bruske. |
| 0:06.5 | I feel like Alan Jackson, I don't, I feel like he's not in step with this the way he was last time. |
| 0:13.5 | I don't understand why he kept pushing some of these witnesses and the way that he did, |
| 0:22.2 | getting them to like literally repeat over and over that she said she hit him. I'm like, they could stop. Like, if that's your, |
| 0:28.2 | the witness you're talking, like, you don't want them to keep saying it over and over and over. |
| 0:32.9 | I felt like they gave like Jen McCabe a second, like, okay, do it again. Do the encore. Or do you? I don't know. Give me that perspective. Like what? Yeah. Look at the flip side of it. Yeah. I mean, if your position's going to be like, all right, if she's going to say it over and over and over, here's where we're at is the defense. We have science behind us. I don't give |
| 0:55.0 | a shit what Jen McCabe's saying that she said that Karen said that morning, because you have |
| 1:01.3 | problems with you've got Nuttall and McCabe or the two people who said it, yet none of the |
| 1:05.4 | cops heard it. None of the cops evident in their reports. But bigger than that is the science. |
| 1:11.1 | The science just doesn't prove up the fact that she hit him. |
| 1:14.4 | It doesn't fucking matter what Karen Reid says. |
| 1:17.6 | Like at some point, if you're the defense, there's no point in trying to turtle away from it. |
| 1:23.6 | You know, I mean, like, you can't. |
| 1:26.6 | They're like sometimes you just got to take the bullet and you've got to try to say, okay, you know, it is what it is. |
| 1:31.9 | Like, Jen McCabe's claiming this. |
| 1:33.7 | We're trying to show that she may have had reasons to not be truthful about what she's claiming that Karen said. |
| 1:39.3 | You know, and at the end of the day, we're going to rely on these two guys that were hired by the Department of Justice that were truly independent, that were the hired gun, that are going to come in and testify that they're going, you know, the way that they're going to testify. |
| 1:55.1 | And it's going to be exactly as to what they testified in the first trial, that everything that they've seen between the injuries and the vehicle are inconsistent with a motor vehicle pedestrian strike. |
| 2:07.8 | And I mean, that's the best evidence in the case. |
| 2:11.1 | That's what I keep saying. |
| 2:12.4 | Everything else is bullshit. |
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