This is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony Bruske and continuing coverage of the case against Karen Reid.

It's getting more and more dicey in the courtroom as the trial of Karen Reed continues on.

And very different vibe as round two plays out as compared to what we saw last year in the trial one of Karen Reed,

Robin Drake, retired FBI special agent.

Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program joining us to discuss.

We got some clips to watch, some pieces to break down.

I know you've been doing some research on this over the week.

Tell me what you've been digging into in terms of Karen Reed and, you know,

the odds of her being the person that's at fault here. Thanks, Tony. Yeah, the anytime where we have

cases like this where we have a lot of conjecture and we have a lot of lack of substantial data

points and real evidence that's being contested in both sides.

And we have really subjective observations by witnesses on site that is inebriated with a lot

of alcohol and late nights and all those things. I just look at data. I'm always looking at

patterns of behavior from past to present and looking at laws of probability.

And so with this one, because we're still muddled down where who said, she said, refuting back and forth.

And so you look at what the defense is claiming because right now, prosecutions making the point that, hey, she hit him, she ran away, he died. I mean, that's kind of the basis of what they're saying.

But what actually the defense is saying is that they're saying that he was assaulted and gotten a fight inside the house.

And maybe a dog's involved. So that's what I do my deep analysis on. All right. So here's what defense is saying.

And so I looked far and wide as I could doing deep searches.

And the relationships of everyone inside that house outside of Karen, she knew everyone or people

inside that house as long as that she was dating Proctor.

I mean, O'Keefe.

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