Hey, this is the moment, a brand compliment. Thanks for listening. My guest today is Will,

Sasso, who I have become such a big fan of yours, dude. I find you just so smart. I mean, really

funny, but also just really so fucking smart. What the heck? Well, we're both big K-fabe

people. You got to keep it K-fabe. Well, as I say, you got to keep it K-fabe, dude.

You know, I grew up reading all the wrestling magazines and was like a freak about that. You know,

I had these giant stacks of the wrestler inside wrestling, pro wrestling illustrated and all that

stuff. And I would spend hours trying to understand with Bill Aptor. Did he even sit down with

that duel of the butcher ever? Or did he make the whole story up about going to a place and

meeting him to talk about something? Like, I was just trying to understand who came up with the

story that they were building. And it was an, like, I think it's one of the things that got me

thinking about writers for the first time in my life. Wow. Wow. That's really interesting. Yeah,

once with wrestling, being a fan of wrestling since a young age as you are, once you start

getting glued in that it's like, wait a minute, wait a minute. The older kids might be right,

how come this happened or that happened? And you're like, maybe this isn't completely on the level

or perhaps it is, you know, the bad, the f word of fake. Then you start thinking about, well,

wait a minute, this is cooler. They put this together. Well, and I'm glad then we're going to,

I'm going to circle around to this because, you know, I also am someone who knows a lot about

the mechanical Turk and I'm someone who studied the Phil Hendry show very closely. Oh my gosh.

And so when I listen to Doodsy, I'm of course put in a world of all that stuff. And what we'll

talk about that, we can, you know, we can sort of talk around that at a certain point later,

but I was so many used to drive around listening to Phil Hendry and understanding kind of what was

going on before, while when Phil kept everything k-fabe, before Phil started, right, there was a

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