Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Koppelman. Thanks for listening.

My guest today is David Lipsky. He has a new book, The Parrot and the Igloo.

This is his second time on the podcast. There were a lot of fireworks last time.

And it was super fun and I got a ton of great feedback.

And I remember last time sort of challenging you to live up to your potential.

Because I had so loved your other books. You know, there aren't that many people

I've read all their books. And I think I've read all your books. And I've had the West Point

Book on my bookshelf since it came out. I'm trying to remember it, man. When we met first,

the first time we met and had lunch together, was it right after the West Point Book before the

Wallace Book? Yeah, probably a year or two after the West Point Book came out. But that was

the subject we were talking about. That was our jumping off point. Then we talked about everything

else. And you know how much I loved the Wallace Book. Because you know, David, David, I think we're

out the best book about West Point or a book about West Point that is the most that gives you the

clearest sense of what it was like to be at West Point. When the world was different, but still

what it was like to be at West Point. When those people were facing slightly different issues,

but still there and then wrote the memoir about his couple of days with David Foster. Wallace

that became the movie. See the title right? End of the tour. Right, that's the movie, but the book is

of course you're in debt to come yourself. You end up becoming yourself. But his new book,

The Parrot and the Igloo. So, let me, so, so Brian, when you came, one reason I was so eager to,

A, that was the Wallace Book is about a great conversation. But like I think, I think you and I

only talked for like two and a half hours or hour and 50 minutes. But that was a, that was the best

conversation I had that year. So when you and I have been scheduling this, I keep saying to your

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