Welcome to the conversations that matter

podcast. I'm your host John Harris with a special guest today. First time on

the C. T. M. Podcast, William Wolf, who is or was a senior official in the Trump administration both as a deputy assistant

Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon and a director of legislative affairs at the Department of State. And prior to that work, he's been a staffer

for three different members of Congress.

He worked at Heritage Action for America.

He holds a BA in history from Covenant College

and a Masters of Divinity at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

And because of Williams' background in politics and policy, I thought he would be a good guy to pick his brain about a recent Gospel Coalition article on immigration.

And so we're going to get into some immigration policy and the politics of immigration and also what the Bible says about this. We're going to try to exercise

a Christian understanding of this to rightly evaluate some of the things being set out there.

So with that, William, thank you so much for joining me. I appreciate it.

John, thanks for having me on. I feel like I'm compelled to use the long time listener, first time caller,

line here. It's good to be on your show. Oh, well that's very kind. Yes. And I've also, I think, from afar,

though I'm not on Twitter, I see your tweets every now and then and I've admired a lot of the courage that you have and on this issue in particular the reason I reached out to you is because

Lately and it's not just this issue. It's a number of issues I have have sensed in institutional evangelicalism. In other words, people who are affiliated with an institution.

Every take has been bad and then you're like the one exception generally and I know you don't have like a lot of you

know power perhaps at your institution but but just being affiliated with an evangelical institution and

then saying some of the things that you say,

I'm like, I gotta have William Wolf on to talk about this.

And you're good on the issue.

So anyway, I do appreciate it.

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