Welcome once again to the conversations that matter podcast. I am the post John Harris as always here to talk about the Enneagram once again.

We've talked about it before.

I give a little bit of an introduction to the Enneagram and the threat that I think it poses to Christians and yet it seems to be so popular

in evangelical circles specifically if you Google anyagram or if you go on YouTube and type in

anyagram, up to half of the, on the first page I'm talking about,

resources you're going to get are from some kind of a pseudo-religious and in particular Christian perspective.

And this startled me and of course set me on a path to discover more about this.

And because I haven't done as much research and there's people who are more knowledgeable than I am on this I decided to get the help of

Pam Frost, Pam is a board member at Truth Exchange, which is a great apologetics ministry you can go check it out at truth

exchange dot com truth exchange dot com and Pam has been studying this for about 20 years, not just the Eniagram, but also the mystical

movements within Christianity, specifically those threatening evangelical churches.

So with that, Pam Frost, thank you so much for coming on and just being willing to answer some questions

about the inigram.

Well, thank you for having me, John.

I really appreciate it.

So let's start with a basic question and this will give you the opportunity, I suppose if you want to tell a story, you can tell a story about your first experience or the first time you heard about

the anyagram, but what made you interested in studying this?

Well, it was the invasion of the emergent movement

within evangelicalism, which came into the church

I was in, and gosh, I was trying to think it was 2003, probably 2004.

And I ended up starting to research these things.

I started reading books by the emergent authors and I found the

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