Welcome to betrayal trauma recovery. This is Ann. I have Debbie Silver on the episode

again today. It's a continuation of our conversation last week. So if you didn't

listen last week, start there and then join us here. When we start talking, you'll

hear us talking about the transcriptions. All of our episodes are transcribed and

we also write an article about it so that you can post about it online. We

really appreciate those of you who do that. If you ever listened to an episode and

you think, oh, that was so impactful. I really want to let that settle in my

brain. You can always go to btr.org and find that episode in its written form

and process it that way. During trauma, I couldn't really read, which is why I

started the podcast, but that's always an option. It's also shareable from

there. Thank you to those of you who have rated the podcast. Here's a five-star

review we received. This is one of the best podcasts if you are dealing with any

kind of emotional or psychological abuse and coercive control. Although it

focuses on the abuse of pornography use, and even though that wasn't my

specific issue, so many episodes have helped me so much. Abuse is abuse and

getting clarity on what is happening is critical. The focus on safety first is

a key theme and so important. If you haven't already and you're so inclined,

please go to Apple Podcast or your other podcasting apps and rate or review

the betrayal trauma recovery podcast. Every single one of your ratings helps

isolated women find us. Speaking of isolation, at the very beginning of

betrayal trauma recovery, I decided that we would never do video modules. That

because isolation was one of the main problems that we would always provide

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