I immediately confided with my friend who was a famous professor the father of modern

day Tocotraino research.

Hey, I found this thing man and you know what the first thing he said to me said, Barry,

if Tocotraino would ever mitigate human disease and misery, this Tocotraino from Anato

better to because if it doesn't, all our experimentation, our cost for Tocotraino is lost.

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Hey, so in this podcast episode, I interview a Malaysian researcher named Dr. Barry Tan.

I got a warning, it probably takes us about like 10, 15 minutes to get warmed up, just

based on the fact that he's a super duper smart researcher and I'm an exercise physiology

lot I try to keep up with him and I kind of had to rain him back a few times and eventually

got him, got him steered in the direction that I think you're really going to enjoy.

So today's show is very, very heady put on your thinking cap.

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