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Big Swings Only

Why We Suffer and How We Heal - With Dr. Suzan Song

Big Swings Only

American Negotiation Institute

Self-improvement, Business, Education

4.7751 Ratings

🗓️ 6 July 2026

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

Psychiatrist Dr. Suzan Song reveals why "just keep going" isn't resilience — it's a trauma response. After hiding from child soldiers in Burundi, she uncovered the hidden cost of high achievement that no one talks about. In this episode, you'll discover: Why performing stability after trauma leads to a breakdown decades later The real difference between pain (unavoidable) and suffering (optional) The Three Friends of Winter — Narrative, Ritual & Purpose — and why they outperform every self-care tool Why building your identity on competence is the most fragile thing a high achiever can do Why more mental health resources are producing more depression, not less Connect with Dr Suzan Song www.suzansong.com Buy the book: Why We Suffer and How We Heal Using Narrative, Ritual, and Purpose to Flourish Through Life's Challenges Connect with Kwame: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Request A Customized Workshop For Your Company⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Kwame Christian on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠negotiateanything.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Click here to buy your copy of Finding Confidence in Conflict: How to Negotiate Anything and Live Your Best Life! @kwamenegotiates across all social platforms

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0:00.0

We think that our experiences are encoded in our memories as kind of video recorders.

0:08.0

They're just like, this is the reality, this is the quote truth.

0:12.0

And so our details are always correct.

0:14.0

But that is rarely ever the case.

0:17.0

So instead, our memories are constantly changing.

0:21.6

What if everything you've built your life around, the work ethic, the achievement, the relentless drive, was actually a trauma response that you've never dealt with?

0:31.6

Pain might be unavoidable. Job losses happen, loved ones pass away unexpectedly. So the pain is unavoidable. Job losses happen. Loved ones pass away unexpectedly. So the pain is unavoidable,

0:40.8

but the suffering is not. Meet Dr. Suzanne Song, psychiatrist, author, and someone who works

0:47.9

with hostage survivors, Fortune 500 CEOs, and says they're dealing with the exact same thing.

0:54.5

My father was assaulted and kidnapped in an attempted robbery.

1:00.1

He later died.

1:01.0

So I continued doing everything.

1:03.3

I still did my piano lessons.

1:05.1

I did start working a couple of jobs.

1:07.2

But it wasn't until two decades later that I now find myself in Burundi, where I had

1:15.2

essentially recreated a similar scene of violence, hoping that this time around that I would be the

1:21.1

one who could save a life, which would be my own, because I couldn't save my father. So when people

1:26.9

kept saying I was resilient, what they actually were saying or what I was actually

1:32.0

doing was performing stability.

1:34.0

Dr. Suzanne Song is the author of Why We Suffer and How We Heal.

1:37.5

And in this book, she shows you that the life you've been building might be the very thing

1:42.1

standing between you and the life you actually want.

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