Hi, my name is John Kim. I'm a therapist who went through his own

rebirth many years ago and I've been documenting my journey ever since sharing my life

lessons and revelations. I believe in casual over clinical with you instead of at you. I come unrehearsed on purpose

because self-help doesn't have to be so complicated.

I shove a microphone in front of Vanessa's face at the worst times.

Today we are going to the beach on a Sunday, Logan behind us, hopefully staying muted with an apple and her imagination.

And in the front seat, we are recording a podcast.

Hopefully.

So the reason why he says the worst times is because it's usually when I'm

mid conversation with him where he goes, wait, wait, wait,

let's record this.

It's a good episode.

And I'm like, now I gotta go back and think about what I've already said.

When Vanessa met me, she thought she was dating a therapist.

Turns out she's dating a documentary,

documentarist, how do you say it?

Documentarian? A Documentarian a documentarian

a documentarian I think so

So we were talking about predict per predexin we're talking about. Logan, we're two minutes in. We're talking about projection and

well that's not how it started. So how it started was I was talking about how I'm listening to Terry Reel's fierce intimacy on audibles and John and I have like specific feelings about Terry Reel because we have a friend who had a specific personal

experience with him that wasn't super great and so I struggle with that and I actually have kind of always liked him.

So I'm listening to it and I was telling him that there there's a bunch of stuff actually

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