Why Trump, 79, Only Wants Identical Women: Wolff

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🗓️ 23 November 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Michael Wolff joins Joanna Coles as he pulls back the curtain on one of the strangest constants inside Trump World: the curated, interchangeable circle of young women who drift through Trump’s orbit, all uncannily similar in look, style, and purpose. Wolff walks Joanna through how this pattern shapes Trump’s self-image, reinforces his craving for adoration, and becomes a kind of visual armor whenever scandal—like the Epstein files—comes roaring back. From the way these women are selected to the way they’re deployed, Wolff maps out the psychology behind the tableau Trump insists on staging around himself. As the conversation widens, Joanna pushes Wolff on what this says about Trump’s aging, his fears, and the hollow myth he keeps trying to resurrect.

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0:00.0	There is always an entourage of younger, good-looking women around Trump, all dressed the same,
0:08.8	and all who basically look the same. During his criminal trial, the Stormy Daniels trial,
0:15.8	he was obviously convicted on all 34 counts, but afterwards I spoke to one of the jurors. He said, all of these
0:24.0	Trump women, girls, you know, the ones who were testifying, Hope Hicks, Madeline Westerhout,
0:30.7	the ones who were sitting behind him, Natalie Harp, Alina Haba, he said, they all, they all look the same. They all dress the same and they all look the same. It really creeped everybody out. It's a role.
0:48.6	Michael. Joanna. I mean, again, where do we begin? I guess with the subpoena for the Clintons.
0:55.5	Why not? It's always, it always comes back with Donald Trump. When he's in trouble,
1:01.0	especially trouble about women, and fundamentally the Epstein story is about women. What does he do?
1:08.2	He goes, he goes, Bill Clinton did it it more and that's obviously what happened he has
1:13.8	sent the word down to the to the house committee to call the clinton's distract the clinton's
1:21.8	epstein the clintons he has been trying to make this connection the clintons to Epstein, really from the get-go.
1:32.5	I mean, that was always, always one of Epstein's beliefs that Trump wanted him to make that connection,
1:41.6	that he was going to be the person that would be the guy to implicate Clinton
1:46.1	to get Trump out of harm's way, Epstein's harm's way. And who can forget the gimmick,
1:54.1	or perhaps it was more sophisticated than a gimmick, of bringing the women who alleged that
1:59.6	Bill Clinton had abused them to one of his debates with Hillary Clinton,
2:05.2	which clearly threw Hillary Clinton off her stride, as it would throw anybody off their stride.
2:11.5	Yes, and that was a Bannon contribution.
2:15.2	Oh, that was Steve Bannon's idea?
2:16.7	Yes, and that may be the thing that he is singularly most proud of in his political life or in his entire life.
2:23.9	And let's realize how important this was.
2:27.6	This came right after the Grab Them by the Pussy moment, which was the moment that appeared by all logic and reason to doom the Trump
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