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The Daily Beast Podcast

We Can See Trump Is In Gross Decline: Psychologist

The Daily Beast Podcast

The Daily Beast

News & Politics

4.6 • 7.9K Ratings

🗓️ 24 November 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

The Daily Beast’s unmissable guest, Dr. John Gartner, joins Joanna Coles to break down what key moments reveal about Donald Trump’s cognitive decline. From trouble saluting at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier to odd noises at a McDonald’s event, Gartner explains patterns of psychomotor decline, word salad, and disinhibited behavior. They discuss how stress, existing personality issues, and potential dementia intersect, offering a rare psychological lens on the president’s bizarre behavior. This episode peels back the curtain on what’s really happening inside Trump’s brain.

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When people develop dementia, they become the worst versions of themselves.

0:05.0

They, whatever personality issues or problems they have begin to deteriorate

0:10.0

and they become even more crude, disorganized, aggressive, confused versions of that personality disorder.

0:17.0

Quiet, quiet, begin.

0:19.0

And this kind of saying, quiet, piggy, it's so disinhibited and crude.

0:26.0

I'm Joanna Coles. This is the Daily Beast podcast, and today we have a treat in store for you because we are back with Dr. John Gartner.

0:34.4

You will remember he's the clinical psychologist. He's a former professor for 28 years

0:39.8

at Johns Hopkins University. He's an author. And it's almost impossible, I think, to find anybody

0:46.3

who breaks down Trump's behavior and explains it from the point of view of a psychologist,

0:53.6

explaining what he thinks is going on inside

0:57.6

Donald Trump's brain. So no time to waste. It's been a spectacularly busy last month for the

1:05.0

president. I sometimes wonder if we don't give him enough credit, given his extraordinary travel

1:10.4

schedule and his energy.

1:12.1

And I mean, you see him snoozing in the White House in his chair behind the desk.

1:16.6

And you wonder, well, could I keep up with that schedule?

1:19.1

But then again, we're not elected as president of the US.

1:24.0

And it turns out that Dr. Gartner thinks the snoozing is actually a symptom of something quite

1:29.8

grave. So, no time to waste. Let's get into it.

1:36.3

Okay, so Dr. John Gartner, I am wearing my tweed jacket, look more academic to speak to you.

1:42.9

And where's your tweed jacket? You've,

1:45.7

you've just turned up in a shirt. I left it back at the university.

1:49.1

Typical. I'm playing a pseudo-academic and the real academic has rolled up in his shirt

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