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The Daily Beast Podcast

How Trump Can Bury Epstein Files Shame: Wolff

The Daily Beast Podcast

The Daily Beast

News & Politics

4.6 • 7.9K Ratings

🗓️ 21 November 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

Michael Wolff joins Joanna Coles as the Epstein story floods the zone. Wolff walks Joanna through why the recurrence of Epstein’s name so deeply rattles Trump and how old secrets keep re-emerging at the worst possible moments. They also dissect the chaotic legal maneuvers inside Trump’s circle, including Lindsey Halligan’s high-profile missteps and what her performance reveals about the administration’s strategy and priorities. It all builds toward the unsettling question hanging over the week: if this story “finally, finally” breaks open, what does Trump look like on the other side?

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Although in that Trump jiu-jitsu, he is now saying he directed the release of the Epstein files,

0:06.0

what we of course know is that he has done everything, everything possible,

0:11.5

including putting himself in the firing line on this, not to release the Epstein files.

0:17.4

I think he's gotten, if not 100% of what he wants.

0:22.4

You know, he's gotten pretty close to it.

0:24.8

He's in control of the Epstein files.

0:27.6

Congress has given him the tools with which to parse, edit, and curate the Epstein files.

0:36.3

So what do we have at the end of the day? We have actually probably

0:41.2

just more distractions in the process of getting to the bottom of the Epstein story.

0:53.3

Michael.

0:55.3

Joanna.

0:56.3

We have a lot of new listeners and viewers to the podcast over the last couple of weeks,

1:01.6

and I thought we should just one more time recap for people who aren't regular listeners or viewers,

1:08.0

exactly what we're trying to do inside Trump's head.

1:11.0

Having spent an enormous amount of time with Donald Trump and covering Donald Trump

1:16.8

to the tune of four books and God knows how many attendant podcasts, I have been

1:25.6

particularly frustrated, I think, with the way other people cover Donald Trump,

1:31.7

that other people, other reporters, other journalists, cover this Donald Trump as they would

1:38.2

any other president, that Donald Trump is a reflection is a reflection of, of what he does, of the policies he proposes.

1:52.3

My view has always been that, that it doesn't work that way with Donald Trump, that he is a reflection of what he, what he got up in the morning, what was on his mind when he got up this morning.

2:07.9

It's mercurial, it's impulsive, it passes, or sometimes unexpectedly, it returns. And because he doesn't really have advisors, he doesn't

2:21.8

really listen to anyone, even if he has advisors, it doesn't make any difference because he

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