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American Thought Leaders

Why the Iran War Is All About China | Zineb Riboua

American Thought Leaders

The Epoch Times

Politics, Government, News

4.91.2K Ratings

🗓️ 6 March 2026

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

“The U.S. went to war in Iran because Iran made itself a Chinese weapon,” argues policy analyst Zineb Riboua, a research fellow at Hudson Institute’s Center for Peace and Security in the Middle East.

Riboua is the founder of the “China in MENA Project,” which tracks communist Chinese expansion and influence across the Middle East and North Africa (MENA).

Is there a bigger dimension to the Iran war that people are missing?

“We have this tendency to just look at the countries involved ... but there’s a big player, and the big player here is China,” she says. “China has been investing immensely in the region in the last two decades, in courting, in coordinating, in cooperating with Gulf countries, with Iran itself, and also with its proxies.”

And why, I ask her, has China been so keen on gaining strategic influence over the Middle East?

It’s because the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) understands that “China cannot rise without having the United States weakened in one of the most important regions in the world,” she said.

“Iran has been that tool. China has built Iran’s military arsenal. It has collaborated extensively with Iran’s proxies, especially the Houthis.

“And reversing that calculus is what Operation Epic Fury is doing.”

In our interview, we delve deep into the symbiotic relationship between the two countries—why China needs Iran and why Iran needs China:

  1. Which role does Iran play on China’s geopolitical chessboard?
  2. Why did China turn Iran into one of its strategic allies, and how did the Islamic Republic benefit?
  3. How dependent is the Iranian regime on China’s military support and surveillance infrastructure?
  4. How dependent is China on Iran’s oil?

The goal of America’s military operation, Riboua believes, is to dismantle the whole structure of the Islamic Republic. “The United States is destroying ... every single launcher, every single missile facility. Their whole Navy has been absolutely crushed. ... It’s 2,000 targets so far, and they’re hitting even more.”

We also discuss what the Chinese regime will do if the Islamic Republic disappears.

How will its geopolitical strategy be impacted? What will happen to the CCP’s Belt and Road initiative, in which Iran played a central role? And how will China’s economy and its relationships with its Middle Eastern and North African proxies be affected?

Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Iran was able to use Chinese technology that they could track very easily who wears a hijab or not

0:06.5

because they perfected it in Uyghur camps.

0:09.7

In this episode, I sit down with Zinibir Bua, a research fellow at the Hudson Institute,

0:14.2

to ask why, as she puts it, the Iran question is all about China.

0:19.0

It is China that has helped Iran acquire different components.

0:23.6

Their fingerprints are all over Iran's military arsenal.

0:28.6

When it comes to the missiles...

0:30.6

How do we know that we're not going to just get another source of instability?

0:34.6

The United States is destroying everything that would make that possible.

0:38.8

Every single launcher, every single missiles facility, their whole Navy has been absolutely crushed.

0:46.9

You can see that in the loss of military assets that Iran had.

0:52.8

As the U.S. degrades Iran's military assets, what's next for Iran and Beijing.

0:58.0

Beijing has been selling to his own people that America is in decline.

1:03.0

The United States has proven them wrong.

1:05.0

Trump has proven them wrong.

1:07.0

This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Janja Kellogg.

1:10.0

Zeneb Rubuah? This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Janier Kellogg.

1:17.6

Zinebribua, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders. Thank you very much for having me. It's a real pleasure, pleasure, and great honor. I'm a big fan of Epoch Times.

1:23.6

Oh, fantastic. Well, I happen to have our national edition hot off the presses as we're filming

1:28.8

today. And of course, the front page here, you know, we're going to, we'll show it to our

1:33.2

audience. There it is. It's really all about Iran, the Iran war, but also China fits into it.

1:40.8

And this is something you jumped on basically immediately right we have

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