How the CCP Dehumanizes Christians in China | Pastor Bob Fu
American Thought Leaders
The Epoch Times
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🗓️ 7 March 2026
⏱️ 59 minutes
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Summary
Pastor Bob Fu was a student leader during the 1989 Tiananmen democracy movement and later led an underground Chinese house church. In 1996, he was imprisoned for “illegal evangelism.”
He later fled China and came to the United States, where he founded ChinaAid, a Christian human‑rights organization that documents cases of persecution, provides legal aid, and advocates for religious freedom in China.
In this episode, we dive into the escalation of religious persecution in recent years in China, including the growing dehumanization of Christians.
Echoing Mao Zedong’s targeting of “five black classes” during the Cultural Revolution, in 2012, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) leaders labelled Christian underground churches as one of five new “black classes” or black categories.
Fu says that the CCP’s leadership is determined to destroy the positive image that Chinese people have of Christian believers.
“Xi Jinping wants to play God,” Fu says. “The Communist Party treats these people as a threat to the regime’s existence. The goal is to eradicate Christian faith from the map of China.”
We also discuss a case now at the Supreme Court, Cisco v. Doe, which could have important repercussions for American companies that enable China’s human rights atrocities.
Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.
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| 0:00.0 | The goal is to really eradicate Christian faith. |
| 0:04.0 | This is a deliberate destruction of your conscience. |
| 0:08.0 | Pastor Bob Fu is the founder and president of China Aid. |
| 0:12.0 | He was a student leader during the 1989 pro-democracy student movement in China, |
| 0:18.0 | and later became a member of an underground house church. |
| 0:25.4 | In 1996, he was imprisoned for, quote, illegal evangelism. |
| 0:28.4 | It used to be called a faith recognition. |
| 0:32.4 | Now they're called form recognition system. Based on the way you walk or move, then based on that pattern, |
| 0:37.4 | they would quickly recognize there was a |
| 0:40.3 | religious gathering. |
| 0:41.3 | How is the CCP escalating its tactics to persecute Christians and other religious groups? |
| 0:47.3 | A Communist Party of China regime has no authority to nominate a Catholic bishop, and yet the Vatican chose to dance with |
| 0:58.4 | the wolf. This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Yan Yekielik. |
| 1:04.5 | Bob Fu, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders. |
| 1:08.6 | Thank you, Jan, for having me again. |
| 1:11.7 | Bob, we were talking just a couple of days ago about persecution of religious minorities in China. |
| 1:20.1 | And I mentioned that I saw anecdotally what looked to me like an increase in dehumanizing rhetoric against Christians |
| 1:30.3 | in the Chinese propaganda, so-called media. And when I said that, you said that you're seeing |
| 1:36.6 | this as well, which kind of freaked me out, to be perfectly honest. I just want you to explain |
| 1:43.1 | to me what it is that you're |
| 1:44.4 | seeing. This is in fact what precipitated this interview. |
| 1:47.7 | Yes, John. What I have seen also in the context of the dramatic escalation of religious |
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