from w nyc studios it's brian lear a daily politics podcast it's tuesday june 14th we are so happy that

andrea bernstein could join us today because she has such a relevant background to make sense of the

January 6th committee hearing so far. Andrea, as some of you will remember, co-hosted the WNYC

podcast, Trump, Inc., which was about the relationship between Trump's business interests and the public

interest. And yesterday we learned that the big lie may have been tied to a big grift,

soaking small donors for $250 million to a non-existent Trump defense fund.

Andrea is author of the book American oligarchs, the Kushners, the Trumps, and the marriage

of money and power. Yesterday we learned that even Jared Kushner was working

on getting Trump to accept reality and concede. Andrea covered Rudy Giuliani when he was

mayor of New York. And Andrea covered Bridgegate for WNYC. Yesterday we heard central bridgegate figure

Bill Steppian, who was Chris Christie's campaign

manager in 2013 when that crime took place, and who was also Trump's campaign manager in 2020.

But in his deposition before the committee, Bill Steppian described himself as the captain of

Team Normal after Trump lost the election, as opposed to Team Rudy?

I didn't mind being categorized. There were two groups of family. We called them kind of my team

and Rudy's team. I didn't mind being characterized as being part of Team Normal as reporters,

you know, kind of started to do around that point in time.

You know, I said, you know, hours ago early on that, you know, I've been doing this for a long time,

25 years, and I've spanned, you know, political ideologies from Trump to McCain to Bush,

to Christie, you know, and Bush to Christie and I can work under

a lot of circumstances for a lot

of varied

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