There is strength in community, and that's kind of the thesis of the double tax, that when you link arms with somebody, it's a lot harder for somebody to push you down.

And so you better link arms with somebody, especially during a crisis.

The conversation that you are about to hear with my guest, Anna Gifty Opuku Aegeman, was so wide-ranging and enjoyable.

We actually booked 90 minutes just to be safe, make sure we had enough time, and we barely got through half of what I had planned for us. So welcome back to The Money with Katie Show, where today we are talking with

Anna Gifty about her new book, The Double Tax. Now, Anna Gifty is a researcher, first and foremost.

She's a researcher and a writer currently getting her PhD in public policy

and economics from Harvard's Kennedy School. She also happens to be the youngest recipient of a

C-Daw Women's Human Rights Award by the UN Convention on the elimination of all forms of

discrimination against women. And the double tax feels a little like a spiritual sister to rich girl nation, for reasons

that you'll hear shortly, but about the ways in which black women's experience of money

is different.

And as you'll hear me tell Anna Gifty in our conversation, I think oftentimes, especially

in this political moment, focusing on one specific

marginalized groups' financial outcomes can often be hand-waved away as meaningless identity

politics or virtue signaling without analytical merit and necessity. But Anna Gifty's core

thesis is that black women in the U.S.

are a little bit like an economic canary in the coal mine. It is in their statistics where the

economic cracks are always first to show. And it's why studying the levers that make gains

for black women specifically have ripple effects that boost other

groups, particularly the working class. So some of what we didn't get the chance to cover,

but I wish we had, included the role of student loans and home ownership in the racial

wealth gap. Now, I received an interesting listener email the other day that noted some of the specifics of the post-war GI Bill, which couldn't pass federally without the support of Southern Democrats.

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