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Next Up with Mark Halperin

Why The Bidens are "Big Liars," and Joe Scarborough on His "Best Biden Ever" Moment and What He Saw

Next Up with Mark Halperin

MK Media

News, Daily News, Politics

4.8846 Ratings

🗓️ 20 May 2025

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

Mark Halperin breaks down Biden’s cancer diagnosis announcement and why the timing of it raises serious red flags. Mark explains the reasons why the Bidens can’t be trusted and warns that the media coverage since the announcement shows signs the press is already slipping back into the bad habit that cost them their credibility: the media’s mistaken belief that the Bidens don’t lie – even now. Plus, Joe Scarborough and Mark Halperin take their years-long private debate public for the first time on "Next Up." Scarborough details what led him to making the “best Biden ever” viral comment, and why he still believes Biden’s “bad days” didn’t mean he was incapable of governing.

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0:00.0

Thank you for coming back, everybody.

0:09.9

For more next up, I'm Mark Halperin, editor-in-chief of Two-Way.

0:13.1

Very glad to have you here and very excited about our conversation today.

0:17.0

One of my close friends, Joe Scarborough and I, who have known each other a long time and talk regularly people who work in politics and in media are regularly surrounded by people in their

0:26.2

lives who they talk to on a regular basis Joe and I talk and communicate quite a bit and we talk

0:32.5

about sports we talk about music we talk about our families we talk about all sorts of stuff

0:36.7

but one topic that

0:38.4

we've talked about now for seven or eight years is Joe Biden and his status of his mental

0:44.5

acuity. And we have honest conversations about it. We're not dogmatic. We don't say it's weekend

0:51.1

at Bernies and Barack Obama was secretly running the government. And we

0:55.1

don't say that everything's fine with Joe Biden. What we do is agree or disagree by following the data.

1:01.4

And I'm super excited for you to be able to hear the kind of conversation that Joe and I have regularly.

1:06.0

Normally it's not on video and audio recorded. So I'm looking forward to sharing that with you, looking forward

1:12.7

for you to hear the kind of conversation Joe and I have had. And it's on a topic that is very

1:17.8

timely right now because, of course, although Donald Trump is president, Joe Biden this week,

1:22.2

again, is very much in the news. I'll say, again, for Democrats and the media to have the credibility

1:28.6

to hold Donald Trump accountable, there has to be a reckoning about what's happened. And the

1:33.2

through line is the question of how Joe Biden has been covered. I will continue to aggressively

1:38.1

cover Donald Trump and his administration, and I'll continue to say what is obviously the

1:42.4

case, which is Donald Trump frequently does not tell the truth.

1:46.4

I think the reason why the table needs to be set here is because I think one of the biggest mistakes,

1:53.1

maybe the biggest through line of all for the way Bidens have been covered, is the Bidens, it is regularly said, are good family.

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