Principles act principles until they cost you something.

Let's be really honest and talk about how you viewed feminism.

The feminism I was coming across was whether or not air conditioning was sexist, you know?

And I felt it was very trivial.

Hello, I'm Julie Bindle, and this is Action Men, a series in which I have interesting

conversations with men that actually get up off their backsides and contribute to the work

that feminists are doing to prevent rape, domestic violence and challenge, pornography and

the sex trade. This week I'm speaking with Michael

Forren, who's a lecturer in public law at the University of Glasgow. For the former Scottish

First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, her downfall came after trying to push forward the Gender

Recognition Act, a dangerous bill allowing self-identifying females, actually males,

to enter women-only spaces.

Michael was behind the movement, laying out the legal framework that was able to bring down

Sturgeon's campaign.

Tell me a little bit about yourself.

Right, well, I'm a legal scholar, I think it's the best way to describe it.

I'm an academic who works in a university who teaches and researches on equality law is my main area of interest and expertise.

And I suppose the thing that I'm most known for now is that I've done a lot of public

commentary on the law in relation to sex and gender.

And I came across your work before I met you, so I read that you were this man who was in academia and had dipped his toe, in fact, thrown himself in full force,

I think, to the cesspit that is the issue about women's sex-based rights and the threat from the gender ideology of current.

So tell me what you think that you have done that might actually help us in our

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