Why Officials Are Extremely Concerned About the CCP’s Next Move and the China Threat

Change Agents with Andy Stumpf

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Society & Culture

4.9 • 648 Ratings

🗓️ 19 November 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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On this week's episode of Change Agents, national security journalist Bill Gertz joins Andy to discuss how the United States’ economic entanglement with China has reportedly created a national security risk. Change Agents is an IRONCLAD Original Firecracker Farm Use code IRONCLAD to get 15% off your first order at https://firecracker.farm/ TacPack Visit http://www.TacPack.com and use code IRONCLAD at checkout to get a free $70 tactical gift Mizzen and Main Black Friday Deal: Score 25% off at Mizzen & Main with code IRONCLAD20! DeleteMe Go to https://www.joindeleteme.com/IRONCLAD and use coupon code IRONCLAD, or scan the QR code Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	There will be no peace in this world as long as the Chinese Communist Party is driving to defeat the United States as one step towards global domination.
0:19.5	Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Change Agents in Iron Cloud Original, presented by Firecracker Farm.
0:25.2	Today we're going to be talking about the potential dangers of allowing more Chinese students into American universities.
0:31.8	My guest today is Bill Goertz. He's an award-winning national security journalist, author, and analyst who has spent decades
0:37.7	covering defense, intelligence, and foreign policy.
0:40.8	He is currently the national security correspondent for the Washington Times and writes a weekly
0:45.1	column inside the ring.
0:47.3	He has reported extensively on U.S. military affairs, espionage, cyber warfare, and the global
0:52.5	strategies of adversaries such as China, Russia,
0:55.5	and Iran. Let's get into the episode.
1:10.6	You wrote a book, Deceiving the Sky, and you lay out China's long-term plan on how they are going to challenge the U.S.
1:13.0	And since I would love for people to go read that book, but in the essence of compressing this into a standalone conversation, can you hit with me the wavops as to what you see China's plan?
1:24.5	How does China view the U.S.? What is their role in strategy as you see
1:28.5	it now and going forward into the future? Sure. So there was Mount Zay Deng founded China in
1:37.6	1949, ended up killing an estimated 60 million people in China. That kind of ended with Deng Xiaoping in the late
1:48.9	70s, early 80s. And he basically saved China from communist ideology. Basically, his approach
1:56.8	was, doesn't matter if the cat is black or white as long as it catches mice. So that began
2:02.7	this, what they call the modernization. Fast forward to 2012, Xi Jinping, a diehard Marxist
2:10.5	Leninist, comes to power in China. And he basically has an entire game plan called National Rejuvenation, which really has nothing
2:21.0	to do with the Chinese nation.
2:22.8	It's basically China's plan to take over the world.
2:26.2	I was fortunate in March to travel to Asia with Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, and I
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