I'm Jake Halpern, host of Deep Cover, a show about people who lead double lives.

We're presenting a special series from Australia.

It's all about a family who was conned by a charming American.

When you marry some and you feel like you really know them.

I was just gobsmicked as to what's going on here.

Does the name Leslie Minookian mean anything to you?

Oh, you bet. Never forget her.

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Huh. Have you ever wondered what a sandwich sounds like?

Not much to it, is there?

Unless, of course, it's a Walker's sandwich.

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Now that's what Asani should sound like.

Go all crisp in with walkers.

Delicious.

These guys had none of that.

They, and they talk about it multiple times throughout the criminal complaint,

wanted to have Netflix documentaries made after them.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Change Agents in Ironclad original, presented by our spicy friends over at Firecracker Farm. Today, we are going to be talking about life inside

of America's intelligence escape. And my guest today is Tracy Walterder. Tracy is a former CIA operative and

FBI special agent who has turned her experience in intelligence and counterterrorism into a

career as an educator, author, and speaker. She joined the CIA after meeting a recruiter at

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