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🗓️ 2 October 2025
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What if the ways we keep getting stuck in relationships aren’t just bad habits, but the natural outworking of how we’re wired to bond—and to protect ourselves from pain?
In this episode of Typology, I sit down with psychologist and couples counselor Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby (a freshly discovered Seven with an Eight wing) to talk about the intersection of attachment, addiction to love, and the Enneagram.
We explore why love itself can feel addictive, how that longing for connection sometimes binds us to the wrong person or pattern, and why recovery communities often work—they help us reattach to what’s good, true, and life-giving. Along the way we dig into common Enneagram pairings, the myth of perfect compatibility, and the real gift of learning to honor differences, see blind spots, and practice repair.
If you’ve ever wondered why you tend to chase, withdraw, fix, or move on too quickly—and how to love with more courage and steadiness—you’ll find this conversation both practical and deeply hopeful.
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ABOUT DR. LISA MARIE BOBBY
Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby is a licensed marriage and family therapist, psychologist, board certified coach and author of Exaholics: Breaking Your Addiction to an Ex Love. She is the founder of Growing Self Counseling and Coaching, an internationally recognized practice focused on love, happiness, and success.
With over 120K monthly podcast downloads on Love, Happiness, and Success, she offers expert advice on relationships, personal development, and professional growth. Dr. Bobby has been featured in Oprahdaily.com, The New York Times, CNBC, Women’s Health, and Real Simple, making her a trusted authority in the media on all things love, life design, and self-improvement.
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| 0:00.0 | Hey folks and welcome to Typology, the show on which we explore the mystery of the human personality and the human adventure all through the lens of the Enneagram. |
| 0:13.1 | My name is Anthony Skinner, your producer and co-host. |
| 0:16.5 | Today we have Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby. |
| 0:20.4 | She's a licensed marriage and family therapist, psychologist, board certified coach, |
| 0:25.7 | and author of Exaholics Breaking Your Addiction to an Ex-Love. |
| 0:31.8 | She's the founder of growing self-counseling and coaching and the host of the love, |
| 0:36.8 | happiness, and success podcast, |
| 0:38.9 | which reaches over 120,000 listeners each month. |
| 0:42.3 | Listen, we have a great conversation with Dr. Lisa, and we cover everything from her |
| 0:48.0 | expertise, which is addictions around relationships, codependency, the Enigram and how different Enigram numbers connect with each other, |
| 0:58.5 | good combinations, possibly challenging combinations of types. She has some thoughts on that and |
| 1:05.0 | so much more. For years, she typed herself as a three, but after taking Ian's assessment, |
| 1:09.9 | she discovered she's actually |
| 1:11.2 | a seven wing eight. And this insight finally helped her make sense out of the places where type |
| 1:17.6 | three never quite fit. So that's it for me, Anthony Skinner. I'm so glad you're here to experience |
| 1:23.7 | this conversation with Dr. Lisa. And now to the man of the hour, Ian Grom. |
| 1:34.6 | Hey, typology, friends. |
| 1:36.9 | Yes, it's time once again to explore the mystery of the human adventure |
| 1:42.5 | through the lens of the anagram. |
| 1:43.9 | I'm joined by my dear friend Anthony Skinner and by my friend Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby, |
| 1:52.2 | who Anthony has already told you all about, so we're not going to waste any time going |
| 1:58.0 | through her impressive credentials. |
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