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So when you think about the Chris Duffy greatest hits, what would that soundtrack look like?

Oh, wow.

Honestly, I am not sure that I'm a band that has a greatest hits.

I might be like a two-hit wonder, you know what I mean?

Like my band is like, people are like, oh, I've heard of them.

A greatest hits album, that's a little ambitious. I don't think that to put out a greatest

hits album. I think that honestly, like what what I do, if I do anything that is like particularly

special is I think I have figured out how to talk about topics that aren't necessarily funny or entertaining

in a way that gets people to find them entertaining and funny and interesting.

And I think a lot of my career is about using humor and comedy as a tool and how you can

use that to open up conversations and build connections

in ways that are surprising and meaningful. And so that's kind of like why I read the book in the

first place was trying to figure out how could you use humor in a way that I think people

often don't think of humor as being used. People often think it like, you should be the center of attention and you're going to get all this praise and everyone's going to think you're the funniest person in the room as opposed to, hey, it's going to help you to see ideas that you wouldn't have seen for. It's going to help you to notice things in your everyday life. It's going to help you to connect with people more deeply. That's what I really have found is like the beauty of laughter and humor. And so I think

I think that's kind of my greatest hit is trying to get people to that.

Well, damn, that's a pretty good hit, Chris. Thank you. That's a pretty good hit. And for you,

how much do you think for you with this skill is nature versus nurture?

I think that a lot of it is nurture.

I think that like, you know, we're probably born with some level of how much we feel comfortable in social situations and with how much we naturally are playful or not.

But I just really believe that being funny and

laughing and experiencing the world in ways where you see its delight, those are skills that

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