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This is Michael Cohen and you're listening to the Mayor Culpa podcast. Well howdy folks,

Mayor Culpa is taking a short August recess. But with everything that's happening, I just

couldn't let you guys down. So stay tuned for an absolutely all new, raw and unfiltered

interview with my favorite former prosecutor Harry Litman. The host of the Talking Feds

podcast, Litman is also an LA Times columnist and appears frequently on MSNBC. And this

week he joined us on Mayor Culpa to offer a no-hold-barred look at the Trump indictment

from a prosecutor's point of view. It's really fantastic. So let's go now to that conversation.

Okay, so Harry, in a recent New York Times opinion essay, Nick Ackerman, who I've had on

the show obviously, wrote why televising the Trump trials is a bad idea, saying that

and I quote, the arguments in favor of broadcasting the trials do not give enough weight to the

dangers that could pose to trial witnesses and jurors or the potential to undermine the

integrity of the trial processes. Do you agree with Nick's assessment?

I don't. I understand it. That is the kind of argument that is often proffered. The

Supreme Court makes that argument that the actors will be influential on TV. But this

is true in so many arenas of public life. You could say that of baseball players or members

of Congress, God forbid they ever grant and stand. And I think Nick is coming at it. I

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