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Plain English with Derek Thompson

Why Does It Seem Like Everybody Hates Everything?

Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Ringer

News, News Commentary

4.72.1K Ratings

🗓️ 19 August 2022

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Bestselling author Chuck Klosterman talks to Derek about the death of the monoculture, how the internet creates cults of fans and anti-fans, and how “hating things” became a mainstream personality trait and a political position. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com. You can find us on TikTok at www.tiktok.com/@plainenglish_ Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Chuck Klosterman Producer: Devon Manze Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Matt Bellini, founding partner of Puck News, and I'm covering the inside conversation

0:05.6

about money and power in Hollywood.

0:08.1

With my new show The Town, I'm going to take you inside Hollywood, with exclusive

0:11.9

insight on what people in show business are actually talking about.

0:15.6

Multiple times a week, I'll talk to some of the smartest people I know, journalists,

0:19.8

insiders, all of whom can break down the hottest topics and entertainment to tell you what's

0:24.0

really going on.

0:26.0

Listen now.

0:31.0

There's something I've been thinking for a long time that I've wanted to talk about

0:34.2

on this show.

0:36.2

It's the idea that modern culture is becoming more pessimistic, more cynical about both

0:42.2

celebrity and technology, more negative about authority, institutions, and the future.

0:49.3

In short, it's high status these days to hate something.

0:54.8

You see this in politics, obviously, with the rise of so-called negative polarization.

0:59.9

That's the idea that voters today are more likely to identify themselves as being against

1:05.1

their political enemy rather than for some positive agenda.

1:10.2

You see it with other institutions too.

1:13.1

Since the 1970s, trust has plummeted for churches, public schools, unions, banks, businesses,

1:20.0

congress, the presidency, the Supreme Court.

1:23.2

I personally see this a lot in my own profession, the media.

1:26.7

I'm very amused, for example, when polls show that trust has plummeted in the media,

1:33.0

capital T, capital M, the media.

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