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Plain English with Derek Thompson

What’s the Secret of Success in America? This Economist Has Answers.

Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Ringer

News, News Commentary

4.72.1K Ratings

🗓️ 23 August 2022

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

The economist Raj Chetty has spent much of the last decade trying to answer a very big question: What happened to the American Dream? In 1940, a child born into the average American household had a 92 percent chance of making more money than his or her parents. But in the last half century, something has gone wrong. A child born in 1980 had just a 50 percent chance of surpassing her parents’ income. So, in 40 years, earning more than your parents went from being a near certainty to no better than a coin flip. Marshaling enormous data sets in extremely creative ways, Chetty has shown that our chances of moving up in the world are exquisitely sensitive to where we grow up. In some cities, like Minneapolis, the American Dream seems to be very much alive. In other places, the poor are trapped in poverty for generations. So, the trillion-dollar question here is: If some neighborhoods in America are like Miracle-Gro for opportunity, what are the active ingredients? What makes a place special? In today's episode, Chetty gives listeners a new vocabulary to think about success and inequality in America, with ideas like "father presence," "friending bias," and "Lost Einsteins." If you’d like to see a literal map of American inequality built with Chetty’s data, I would encourage you for this episode alone to go multi-media and visit www.socialcapital.org to see how your neighborhood fares as an engine of upward mobility. That way, you’ll have a fuller sense of where the American Dream is dying—and what we have to do to bring it back. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com. You can find us on TikTok at www.tiktok.com/@plainenglish_ Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Raj Chetty Producer: Devon Manze Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Matt Bellini, founding partner of Puck News, and I'm covering the inside conversation

0:05.6

about money and power in Hollywood.

0:08.1

With my new show The Town, I'm going to take you inside Hollywood, with exclusive

0:11.9

insight on what people in show business are actually talking about.

0:15.6

Multiple times a week, I'll talk to some of the smartest people I know, journalists,

0:19.7

insiders, all of whom can break down the hottest topics and entertainment to tell you what's

0:24.0

really going on.

0:26.0

Listen now.

0:31.0

Today, we're talking about what is probably my favorite subject in all of economics.

0:37.1

It's what economists call upward mobility, and what most people call the American Dream.

0:44.3

The phrase, the American Dream, was invented during the Great Depression in a 1931 book

0:50.8

by James Trusslow Adams.

0:53.2

He defined it as, quote, that dream of a land in which life should be better and richer

0:57.8

and fuller for everyone.

1:00.4

More concretely, it was the idea that America's children should expect to do better than

1:04.6

their parents, provided that they work hard.

1:08.8

In the decades after Trusslow Adams coined this term, the American Dream became an honest

1:13.8

to God reality.

1:15.7

In 1940, a child born into the average American household had a 92% chance of making more money

1:22.6

than his or her parents.

1:24.7

But in the last half century, something has gone curiously wrong.

1:29.4

A child born in the 1980s has just a 50% chance of surpassing her parents' income.

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