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Why Does Everyone Hate Rats? (Update)

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🗓️ 22 April 2026

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

New York City’s mayor called them “public enemy number one.” History books say they caused the Black Death — although recent scientific evidence disputes that claim. In an updated episode from 2025, we ask: Is the rat a scapegoat? And what does our rat hatred say about us?

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0:00.0

Hey there, it's Stephen Dubner, and it is springtime in New York City, which means the trees are greening up, the sidewalk cafes are crowded, and the rats are coming out.

0:15.9

So we figured this was the moment to bring you an update of an episode we first published last year,

0:21.6

a very popular episode called Why Does Everyone Hate Rats? We have updated facts and figures

0:28.6

as needed. Thanks for listening.

0:35.4

In the fall of 2022, a new job listing was posted on a New York City government website.

0:44.1

The ideal candidate, the listing read, is highly motivated and somewhat bloodthirsty, determined

0:50.1

to look at all solutions from various angles, including data collection, technology innovation,

0:55.6

and wholesale slaughter. And what kind of government job requires wholesale slaughter? Here is the

1:03.2

man responsible for this listing. Rats do something to traumatize you, and I hate rats.

1:12.4

That is Eric Adams, who at the time was mayor of New York City.

1:16.6

If you walk down the block and a rat runs across your foot, you never forget it.

1:22.9

Every time you walk down that block, you relived that.

1:27.1

Adams made a lot of headlines when he was in office, like an indictment on federal criminal

1:31.9

charges, including bribery and wire fraud, although those were ultimately dismissed.

1:37.8

Recently, Adams became a citizen of Albania. During his one term as mayor, Adams was fervently anti-rat.

1:46.0

Fighting crime, fighting inequality, fighting rats.

1:50.0

Public enemy number one, many of you don't know, are rats.

1:53.0

If you're not scared of rats, you are really my hero.

1:57.0

And that job that was posted on NYC.gov, that was Eric Adams searching for his hero,

2:04.4

who turned out to be this person. I was certainly taken aback. I mean, the job posting itself

2:11.8

got a lot of fanfare. I just want to read it to verbatim. The job posting called for someone with a, quote, swashbuckling attitude, crafty humor, and a general aura of badassery.

2:23.4

Yeah.

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