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Music Hello, and welcome back to the David Fromm Show, in an America that suddenly finds itself at war in the Middle East under the leadership of President Trump.

My guest today is Tina Brown, the former editor of Tatler, Vanity Fair, and the New Yorker,

author of the Fresh Hell Substack.

I recorded this dialogue with Tina Brown before the outbreak of hostilities.

We're going to continue with it because I think it says a lot of important things by Tina

about the political culture of the United States today.

But I am recording on the Monday morning after the strikes.

I'm in a different location, obviously, as you will see from the location I was in when I recorded the dialogue with Tina.

And, of course, we're in a different world, a world in which the United States has struck Iran with air power and which

that calls for some new thinking and some new approaches. For many Americans, nothing much has

changed politically. They opposed Donald Trump before the war, and they opposed Donald Trump

now that he's led the country into a war. For those of us on the center right, on the never Trump side, things are a little bit more

complicated.

Among the reasons that me and people like me oppose Donald Trump was not just along with

our many, many coalition partners spreading across the American spectrum, his disdain for

democracy, his attempt to overthrow the 2020 election, his authoritarianism,

his corruption. We also had very particular political concerns. The thing that led me and people like me

to the political right in the first place was our belief in American global leadership,

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