Why Cliff Asness Believes Markets Are Getting Dumber
Capitalisn't
University of Chicago Podcast Network
4.5 • 584 Ratings
🗓️ 12 June 2025
⏱️ 51 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Our goal is to make our clients money, not to make markets more efficient. |
| 0:04.6 | That is a lovely secondary thing that I believe we help with. |
| 0:09.0 | I hope we help with. |
| 0:10.0 | But we don't wake up every day saying, our job today is just to make markets better. |
| 0:14.9 | Probably should not have admitted that on a major podcast. |
| 0:20.0 | I'm Bethany McLean. |
| 0:21.6 | Did you ever have a moment of doubt about capitalism and whether greed's a good idea? |
| 0:26.8 | And I'm Luigi Zengalis. |
| 0:28.2 | We have socialism for the very rich, rugged individualism for the poor. |
| 0:33.7 | And this is Capital Isn't, a podcast about what is working in capitalism. |
| 0:37.7 | First of all, tell me, is there some society you know that doesn't run on greed? |
| 0:42.2 | And most importantly, what isn't? |
| 0:44.1 | We ought to do better by the people that get left behind. |
| 0:47.1 | I don't think we shouldn't kill the capital system in the process. |
| 0:50.5 | From my very early days as a journalist, I remember the famous investor Cliff Asnes, |
| 0:55.6 | not just because he was a hugely successful quant, meaning someone who invests not so much |
| 1:00.4 | on the fundamentals of a company, but rather due to quantitative factors in the market, |
| 1:04.4 | but because he was willing to say things other people weren't, and in such a memorably biting |
| 1:09.1 | way. In 2000, he published a piece called |
| 1:11.7 | Bubble Logic, which exposed the fallacies being used to justify crazy stock prices like that of |
| 1:16.9 | Cisco. Then in 2004, he wrote a piece entitled Stock Options and the Lying Liars who Don't Want to |
| 1:22.9 | Expense Them. Cliff now manages $128 billion across various strategies, and those who follow him on X |
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