So let me ask, what are you and your spouse aiming for? What's the relationship about? What's your

destination? If you're going on a trip, you decide where we're going, and your marriage needs

a similar goal. I'm John Fuller, joined by Dr. Greg Smalley and his wife, almost Dr. Aaron Smalley.

They lead the Focus Marriage Department here, and Aaron, you counsel so many couples.

And obviously, they're probably most of them struggling. How about the destination?

How many times do you work with couples and they just don't really have a clue about what this is all

about?

Yeah, so often when couples come in for counseling, they don't have a destination because they're so

disconnected. Couples that are disconnected, experiencing high conflict, maybe they're both

just shut down and withdrawn. They're not dreaming about where they're going in the future.

So as I work with them and hearts soften and reopen and they reconnect most times, then

they begin to talk about, what are we about?

Where are we going in our marriage?

What are we shooting for?

Because as they develop that target down the road, then they're able to

start making decisions based on that. Yeah, yeah. Well, the two become one, and in God's hand,

there's a purpose for all that. And let's go ahead and hear now from a couple that have been

together for over 25 years, Sean and Lynette Reed. They've been in ministry

for 20 years, and here they are with Focus President Jim Daley sharing why your relationship needs

a purpose. Yeah, and I'm thinking of that three to five year plan, basically, off that napkin.

A lot of couples are going, especially in their 20s, I don't get time to do that. I mean, I'm doing this. I'm doing that. We're raising our

one child, our two children. What's the importance of doing that to actually bite the bullet

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