I'm Michelle Goldberg.

I'm Jamel Buie in for Frank Bruney.

I'm Ross Douthet, and this is the argument.

On today's show, are we living through a genuinely revolutionary moment, or will the

protests just end up reshuffling elite institutions, leaving economic inequities untouched?

Then, we'll talk about statues and monuments, which should stay and which should go.

If we're done with Robert E. Lee and maybe Woodrow Wilson, is George Washington next?

For a revolutionary movement, the Black Lives Matter protests seem to have an awful lot of

elites already on their side.

Universities, media organizations, and much of corporate America have all rushed to endorse

anti-racism and declare themselves in solidarity with protesters.

To this skeptical conservative, it's looking more like a struggle for power within the

liberal elite, an ideological and generational battle to control Princeton or Google for

the New York Times.

And it's not really the socialist revolution that Bernie Sanders was promising just a few

short months ago.

But the same week I wrote a column making that case, my colleague, Jamel Buie, wrote his

own, arguing for this moment's real revolutionary potential, the possibility that Black Lives

Matter could yield a true socioeconomic transformation.

Jamel has kindly agreed to come back on the argument today to join Michelle and I and

explain what my cynicism might get wrong.

So Jamel, first, welcome back to the show.

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