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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Is Trump's Fate Sealed?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

New York Times Opinion

Journalism, New York Times, Ross Douthat, News, Society & Culture

4.07.2K Ratings

🗓️ 9 July 2020

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

Has Donald Trump already lost the election? This week on “The Argument,” Frank, Ross and Michelle debate whether Joe Biden already has the president beat in November, given historical precedent, polling and the president’s own predilections. Then, they turn to the question that every family of an American student is asking: How can school safely reopen in the fall? Plus, Michelle suggests you treat yourself to some escapism through “Self Care.” For background reading on this episode, visit nytimes.com/theargument.

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0:00.0

I'm Michelle Goldberg.

0:01.4

I'm Frank Bruney.

0:02.8

I'm Ross Douthet, and this is the argument.

0:09.3

Today, it may only be July,

0:11.9

but has Donald Trump already lost the 2020 election.

0:15.5

Then, we turn to the pressing question of America's schools,

0:20.1

and whether they can reopen safely in the fall,

0:23.0

or if they don't, how will we stave off Armageddon?

0:27.7

And finally, a recommendation.

0:32.6

We're starting today's episode with President Trump,

0:35.8

and with Frank's bold assertion in our pages

0:38.6

that he's doomed to lose the 2020 election.

0:42.1

Frank, your piece last week was called Is Trump Toast,

0:45.6

and it made the argument that he might be,

0:48.0

that this time, after a million premature eulogies,

0:51.6

the president's political fate might actually be sealed.

0:55.2

So convince us.

0:56.8

Why can't a man who's had a million or so comebacks

0:59.2

in his public career defy gravity and come back one more time?

1:03.6

Well, Ross, I don't know that he's had a million comebacks,

1:07.1

maybe a few dozen, and a lot of them were

1:08.9

before his political career.

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