Who We Are Becoming Matters with Norma Wong
How to Survive the End of the World
How to Survive the End of the World
4.9 • 2.3K Ratings
🗓️ 20 February 2026
⏱️ 68 minutes
🧾️ Download transcript
Summary
The sisters are THRILLED to welcome poet, Zen master and Indigenous Hawaiian leader Roshi Norma Wong back to the show! Her new book is part story-poem-instruction manual. It's called Who We Are Becoming Matters and is now available wherever books are sold! CLICK HERE TO SUPPORT
AN INDIE BOOKSELLER.
In this conversation they discuss Minneapolis, Norma's cool hand clasp model to show how our minds and feelings can sync up or not, dealing with trauma and grief, especially with all the chaos around us, what discipline entails and the true meaning of Aloha.
---
TRANSCRIPT
---
SUPPORT OUR SHOW
https://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow
---
HTS ESSENTIALS
Transcript
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
| 0:00.0 | Hello, hello, hello, beloved listeners. This is Adrienne, and we have a conversation coming to you now with the one and only Norma Wong. We have spoken with her before. We're really excited to get to speak with her again. And just to give some context of when this conversation happened, because everything is moving so quickly in our current timeline, we talked with Norma in mid-January, around January 16th. |
| 0:33.4 | And you will hear more sounds than you normally hear because Norma is speaking to us from Hawaii, |
| 0:41.8 | where there's not a ton of barrier between indoor and outdoor. |
| 0:46.6 | So there's just going to be some beautiful sounds of real life unfolding around her as she's speaking to us. |
| 0:54.4 | And we just wanted you to know that to just understand that that's what's happening. |
| 0:58.5 | We knew it was happening. |
| 0:59.7 | There's no mistakes. |
| 1:00.9 | There's just a beautiful conversation. |
| 1:03.1 | Sini, so much love and joy. |
| 1:04.6 | Music. I'm Autumn Brown, Front Woman of the Soul Pop Band, Autumn, a queer science fiction writer, a theologian, a mother of dragons, and a healing justice |
| 1:30.7 | facilitator for social movements, living on Dakota and a Shinabe land, currently known as |
| 1:37.2 | Minneapolis. |
| 1:39.1 | As she! |
| 1:40.4 | Coming to you from occupied Minneapolis, where we are under siege by federal law enforcement. |
| 1:48.0 | And I'm Adrienne Marie Brown, a luscious black queer witch writer auntie, |
| 1:53.1 | an apocalyptic cosmic optimist and a gardener of healing ideas. |
| 1:57.6 | I live in the land of the Okanichi, Shikori, Skoruri, Skorouwere, Tescarora, Ino, and Lumbie peoples, currently known as Durham, where we also have Mimau's who don't mess around with these ice people. |
| 2:09.4 | And this is How to Survive the End of the World. |
| 2:13.5 | Our podcast about learning from apocalypse with grace, rigor, and curiosity. |
| 2:19.5 | As a reminder, we have no ads. |
| 2:22.5 | We are completely listener supported. |
| 2:25.5 | So you can join our Patreon for exclusive content. |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from How to Survive the End of the World, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of How to Survive the End of the World and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.