Who Controls Your Church A Conversation w EbonyJanice

Lurie Breaks It Down

Women's Empowerment Network

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5.0 • 617 Ratings

🗓️ 20 February 2026

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Lurie Daniel Favors welcomes theologian and spiritual leader EbonyJanice to examine Rwanda's closure of nearly 10,000 churches that failed to meet new government regulations on theological education, building codes, and sanitation. They explore the tension between preventing religious exploitation and respecting spiritual autonomy, questioning who has the authority to regulate faith practices. The conversation delves into personal spiritual connections versus institutional religion, the weaponization of Christianity throughout history, and how colonialism has shaped our relationship with spirituality. EbonyJanice encourages listeners to trust their inner knowing—their 'ori'—rather than blindly following external religious authorities, while acknowledging the importance of community in spiritual practice. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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0:00.0	Look, we break it down, down, down, down, down.
0:05.0	She break it down, down, down, down, down, down.
0:11.7	She got to message for the people, a brilliant mind and a clean soul.
0:17.3	She's standing up to the evil in making sure that we all grow strong enough
0:22.5	To break these change we're in
0:24.2	They keep us in this painful condition
0:26.9	She gave us truth and division
0:29.5	That's why we listen
0:31.3	She break it down, down, down, down, down
0:34.6	Down, down
0:35.6	She break it down, down, down, down. She breaks it down, down, down, down, down.
0:41.7	The president of Rwanda has shut down over 6,000 churches.
0:49.6	He believes that religion has been turned into a business with zero oversight.
0:55.0	No regulation, no financial boundary.
0:58.3	It's incredible how easy it is to wake up one day and be like, I'm going to be a pastor
1:02.3	and then go buy a building that can be unsafe and actually not pass inspection and then start
1:08.4	charging people for miracles, start charging desperate people
1:11.7	for miracle. And the president of Rwanda was like, no, we got to do better. So he stepped in and
1:19.3	said, like, look, I'm not going to, I'm not going to shut you down, but I'm going to politely ask you
1:23.3	to close your doors. And there's a list of requirements that you as a pastor need to achieve
1:29.8	in order to properly and safely lead your congregation.
1:33.7	Part of those requirements is having education in theology.
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