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Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

Where was the IDF on Oct 7? - with Ronen Bergman

Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

Ark Media

Society, October 7, Hamas, War, Foreign Policy, Geopolitics, Israel, News Commentary, News, Politics, Elections, Palestine, Dan Senor, Government

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 27 June 2024

⏱️ 80 minutes

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*** Share on X: https://tinyurl.com/yvesakat *** One of the questions we repeatedly get from you, our listeners, is - "Where was the IDF on October 7th?" It's a topic that we have strenuously avoided. After the war, there will be a formal commission of inquiry that attempts to understand all that went wrong and why. There will be a time and a place for that. And yet, as the war in Gaza winds down, and as Israel prepares for another possible war, this question re-emerges. What lessons can be learned? More and more journalists in Israel are exploring the topic. So, we are going to dedicate an episode from time to time in the weeks ahead to try to understand what these journalists are learning. Our only caveat is that this is a difficult topic to explore - for all the obvious reasons. The information is uneven... there is still an element of fog of war. When I was in Israel last week, I visited Ronen Bergman in his home in Ramat HaSharon, to have a long conversation about what he has pieced together. Ronen is a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine and Senior Correspondent for Military and Intelligence Affairs for Yedioth Ahronoth, an Israeli daily. Ronen recently won a Pulitzer Prize for his reporting on this war and the pre-war intelligence failures. He has published numerous books, including: “Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel’s Targeted Assassinations” - https://tinyurl.com/mwbmchaj And also, “The Secret War with Iran" - https://tinyurl.com/2p8sh9u Ronen is also a member of the Israeli bar (he clerked in the Attorney General’s Office), and has a master’s degree in international relations, as well as a Ph.D. in history from Cambridge University. Read Ronen's piece in The New York Times here: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html

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0:00.0

The

0:04.2

Jareco Wall, which was a code name for a top secret Israeli operation in May 22

0:21.3

when Israeli intelligence was able to obtain the Hamas detailed war plan, how to initiate the attack, to breach defense in 60 places and to destroy Israeli defenses and conquer much of the Gaza division

0:31.6

that is stretched throughout the border. of the

0:35.0

gazaa division that is stretched throughout the border. If you look at the plan and you look at what actually happened,

0:39.0

the fence on October 7 was breached in 58 places.

0:43.2

So the invasion was an exact materialization

0:46.7

of the Jericho wall.

0:48.0

And it was at the hands of the Israelis

0:50.2

in May 22. It's 8 p.m. on Wednesday, June 26th, the New York City.

1:04.0

It's 3 o'clock a.m. on Thursday June 27th in Israel.

1:10.0

One of the questions we repeatedly get from you, our listeners, when you're making

1:16.7

suggestions for episodes, is where was the IDF on October 7th. It's a topic that I have strenuously avoided since, well, I figured

1:27.9

there'll be a formal commission of inquiry that attempts to understand all that went wrong and why and there will be a time and a place for that.

1:36.0

Israel after all has a long history of these ruthless commissions of inquiry after wars. And yet as this war in Gaza winds down and as

1:48.8

Israel prepares for another possible war, the question just keeps re-emerging.

1:55.0

Where was the IDF on October 7th?

1:59.0

What lessons can be learned from the failures, from the breakdowns?

2:02.0

More and more Israeli journalists, I know,

2:05.0

are exploring the topic.

2:06.0

So we have decided to dedicate an episode

2:09.0

from time to time in the weeks ahead

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