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Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

The ‘Day After’ Document - with Prof. Netta Barak-Corren

Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

Ark Media

Society, October 7, Hamas, War, Foreign Policy, Geopolitics, Israel, News Commentary, News, Politics, Elections, Palestine, Dan Senor, Government

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2024

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Share on X: https://tinyurl.com/yc8jb3m6 Is now the time for Israeli decision-makers to begin serious internal deliberations and planning for the “day after” in Gaza? According to Nadav Eyal in his column last Friday in Yediot, over 95% of Hamas rockets are gone, Hamas’s smuggling routes have been closed, and its munitions production capacity is zero. Is progress in defeating Hamas appears much better than one would think from reading popular press accounts? It’s against that backdrop that we’ve learned of a 28-page document -- this is not publica -- and is circulating among Israeli military leaders and war strategy decision-makers within the government. Some we spoke to suggested that this document is being treated as the basis for ‘day after’ planning in the government. It’s called: "From a murderous regime to a moderate society: the transformation and rehabilitation of Gaza after Hamas". The researchers are Prof. Netta Barak-Corren, a law professor who works on conflict resolution; Prof. Danny Orbach, a military historian; Dr. Nati Flamer who specializes in Hamas and Hezbollah; and Dr. Harel Chorev, an expert on Palestinian society. To help us understand these recommendations, we are joined today by one of its authors, Prof. Netta Barak-Corren, who is a legal scholar with degrees from the Hebrew University (where she is a professor). She clerked for the Chief Justice of the Israeli Supreme Court, and then pursued doctoral studies at Harvard, graduating in 2016. She currently is on leave from Hebrew University, while she’s visiting faculty at Princeton. She’s previously taught at University of Pennsylvania and University of Chicago.

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So what we recommend in the paper is the following.

0:02.8

We say as a matter of practicality, there will need to be a period of non-Palestinian rule of the territory

0:11.0

for a while.

0:12.1

And it is best that this is done in collaboration

0:16.0

between several different kind of forces and nations,

0:20.0

ideally with moderate Arab allies that want to help with restructuring and rebuilding Gaza

0:27.7

and want to form a regional alliance with Israel and you know the US maybe could be helpful and other allies etc.

0:35.6

It doesn't have to be Israel it is best if it is not Israel if nobody else is

0:41.3

willing to do that there might be no choice but for Israel to do that for a period of time.

0:46.4

It might make the project less successful, but without it the likelihood that Hamas will reconstitute itself as has happened in Afghanistan

0:56.2

and Iraq etc.

0:57.2

It's just30 a.m. on Monday, June 24th in New York City. I'm back from Israel. I'll have more to say about my most

1:15.0

recent visit on future episodes. It's 7.30 a.m. on Monday, June 24th in

1:21.3

Israel as Israelis get ready to start their day.

1:25.0

Is now the time for Israeli decision-makers to begin serious internal deliberations

1:31.0

and planning for the day after in Gaza,

1:34.0

according to regular call me back guest Nadaver Yel

1:38.0

in his most recent column last Friday in Yidioteachronut.

1:42.0

Over 95% of Hamas's rockets are now gone.

1:47.0

Hamas's smuggling routes have been closed, and its munitions in bomb-making production capacity is zero.

1:55.0

Indeed, progress in defeating Hamas appears to be much better than one would think

2:00.0

from reading popular press accounts,

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