As soon as you change the rules of the game to judging every person, but are you an oppressor?

Are you oppressed?

And how tanned are you?

The Jewish community just doesn't fit.

America was the place where Jewish people came to escape their suffering.

America was a place where black people came to begin their suffering.

And as a result that tension between the relationship that black people have with America and Jewish people have with America

leads to a tension between the black people and Jewish community. It's 9 p.m. on Thursday, June 27 to New York City. It's 4 o'clock AM on Friday, June 28th in Israel.

Since October 7th, many of us have had uncomfortable conversations,

sometimes surprisingly and quite depressingly uncomfortable conversations

that we actually could never have imagined having to have with friends or

colleagues or with people we've worked on various causes with over the years outside the Jewish community. with

outside the Jewish community.

And then October 7th

sparked debates and very tense discussions

over here in the West in the diaspora that got very awkward very quickly

but what's unique about my guests today is that they were actually having these

awkward conversations prior to October 7th not only were they having these awkward conversations prior to October 7th.

Not only were they having these conversations, they were working on a book that chronicled

these difficult conversations between a prominent figure from the Jewish community and a prominent

figure from the black community. It's almost like they had anticipated the

therapy we would all need. Their book is called

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