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I'm John Batcher. This is the new John Batcher show with Josh Rogan of the

Washington Post, the Global Opinions columnist. Most importantly, right now the

author of the new book Chaos Under Heaven. Trump, she and the battle for the 21st

century. This is a story of 1617, 1819 and 20 that

match establishes what we know and don't know about the pandemic, about the threat to

national security here and with our allies and the threat to planet earth right now,

what we know and what we don't know. There are ironies aplenty here because Josh is telling

the story of the Trump policy towards China with China that was looking to in some way resolve

itself in January of 2020, the phase one trade deal. History is not neat and it can be one thing

after another. On the 15th that phase one deal with handshakes all around is sealed in Washington

and the Chinese negotiators got on the plane to go home to Beijing. The day before, however,

at the National Security Council meeting, it was held at the National Security Council meeting

at the Policy Coordination Committee level, that is the principles were not there, the coordinators

were there. There was a report of a strange new flu from China and one of the people attending

that meeting is Matthew Pottenger, we've met him before. What did they know on January 14th about

this flu, Josh, because I mentioned that I had spoken of that flu on January 6th to my colleague

Gordon Chang when we did a show that night. It was reported out of the South China morning post

as an unusual flu described as pneumonia like. What did they know on the 14th?

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